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tronzdroid said
The higher you upgrade them the better is the chance to craft something of value. Or it may take influence on the success rate of the item to craft. Of course every level of improvement should be very expensive using ingame money/ressources. Only very active players and SGs should be able to buy all upgrades. Also a SG crafting table should be more worth as a single player crafting table.  

Welcome aboard and thank you for your input.

Indeed, functional bases are something I'm very keen to see.

The suggestion made think of another major aspect of crafting - success rates and result quality.

I've played MMO's (thankfully rare) that have a failure chance on crafting. This is horrible and bad.

Either:
a) You lose (some or all of) the crafting materials. This feels terrible, especially if they're high-end or rare. Imagine getting the last rare component you need for an item after hours of farming a mob, slot everything in, hit the button, and BANG, you fail and get nothing. It is also, *absolutely pointless*. If you want to limit how many items can be made, the exact same effect is created by simply increasing how many materials are needed.
eg. You are crafting something that has a 20% to fail. So you make it five times, and (on average) have four success. If you simply required 20% more materials to make the item with 100% success, you'd also get four items, from the same amount of materials, with no horrible-feeling failures. Instead of skill improving the success rate, you simply lower the material cost instead (or see my point below).

b) You don't lose anything, just have to make it again. This is annoying, and again, totally unnecessary. It's literally just an artificial time-penalty to crafting, and makes the process feel unnecessarily tedious. If you want to slow people down just have the process take a bit longer so it averages out, but generally time watching a progress bar move *shouldn't* be the thing you're trying to extend.

So yeah, don't have failures for crafting. What you *can* do however, is have critical successes. That is, a chance to make more or a better version of an item. That's a cool little dopamine hit every so often, and easily balanced by, as mentioned above, simply increasing the material requirements so the same number get made per components, just with a nicer feel to the psychology.

So anyway, absolutely love the idea of crafting tables for bases, with, yeah, the potential for maybe getting improved versions over "public" tables that have critical successes (or increased chances thereof).

This is my crafting idea, submitted a couple of years ago...

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SweetSugar post_id=24916 time=1581288100 user_id=2565 said:

One thing I do like in SWTOR is a recent change. You can do all your low level crafting making "Assembly Components" - which are parts needed to make higher level stuff. No more making 20 grade 1 lightsabers, 20 grade 2 lightsabers, etc.

have not played in a few years, but this is new to me. so are the low level components used in all high level crafting? is it a tree where you build 5 low level components to assemble a medium level component? then 5 medium for one high level? etc?

olepi post_id=24873 time=1580056969 user_id=6950 said:

I guess the first question to ask is: what is there to craft? Is this going to be a gear game, with armor and weapons to be crafted?
Or is it like CoH where you really don't have armor and weapons, so crafting is basically for stims and enhancements? Can we craft badges?

Like CoH - enhancements are called Augments for SoH, but are otherwise the same concept. Other craftable things include temporary powers and boosts.

olepi post_id=24873 time=1580056969 user_id=6950 said:

The next question is: how important are the crafters? In Ryzom for instance, weapons, armor, etc do not drop from quests or mobs. Only mats drop, and *everything* in the game is crafted. Or do the quests/mobs drop stuff that is just as good as what is crafted, so that crafting is just a personal hobby?

Well, that was kind of one of the original questions - how important do you want it to be? 😛

olepi post_id=24873 time=1580056969 user_id=6950 said:

And what materials will be used for crafting? Are there special mats that require hunting down? Or will mats just drop from mobs or be found just lying around? are there real "gathering" professions? For example, in LoTRO the mats are just lying around on the surface, but you have to have the right profession to get them. In Ryzom mats have to be prospected for with skills and then dug up with different skills.

Mats will drop from mobs. Harder mobs drop rarer mats.

olepi post_id=24873 time=1580056969 user_id=6950 said:

Also, what are the mechanics of crafting? Just hit a button anywhere? Do you have to be at a crafting table? Is crafting a mini-game where you have to interact to get the best output? Does crafting have levels of skill? Different recipes or blueprints to learn? Different professions? and how many can you learn at once? What about deconstructing items?

Again, this is potentially one of the open questions, though I imagine most people will be leaning towards somewhere in the direction of "how CoH did it" 🙂

olepi post_id=24873 time=1580056969 user_id=6950 said:

Finally, what kind of economy is there going to be, and how does crafting fit into that? Can we make profits from crafting? Or do we have to spend money to craft, making it a money sink?

You can make money from crafting if you want, though to do so you'd have to spend time killing things for the mats.

olepi post_id=24873 time=1580056969 user_id=6950 said:

My votes would be:
1) no gear crafting, just stims and enhancements, with some possible special temp powers or badges
2) the best items are crafted, but getting to that level will take a long time. Dropped items are 85% as good.
3) have a combination of dropped mats, and special mats that have to be searched out (maybe as part of a quest)
4) crafting is just hitting a button at a crafting table, except for special items like temp powers. that could require a mini-game to get the best result. Crafting skills are limited to one or two per player, crafting does level, and blueprints have to be discovered or bought. Some items can be deconstructed to get mats.
5) the economy should allow a crafter to make a profit, not just be a money sink

Example: with a technology background, I joined the Engineering Section and can find Engineering mats and items to deconstruct. I can make simple stims and basic enhancements for all types. Using special mats, I can learn to craft special items like temp powers in Engineering, or special Engineering stims with extra bonuses. Crafting the special things requires a mini-game at an Engineering crafting table. Running missions in the Engineering section and defeating certain bosses in Engineering grants special mats for these special items.

Sounds like you'll like what's planned then 😀

IMO, every character should have the opportunity to learn all 5. I would think it should be something like this;

Learning your first crafting discipline is quick, most players master it within the first few levels.

Afterwards, each discipline takes progressively longer. It may take until the level cap reaches 50 before you have the opportunity to learn all of them.

By making it progressively longer, a player has to decide what order they want to make them, since it may take a loooooooong time between the 2nd mastery and the third.